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Id: 53310
Status: resolved
Priority: 0/
Queue: NTLM

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Owner: NBEBOUT [...] cpan.org
Requestors: JAWNSY [...] cpan.org
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Subject: Missing Copyright Information
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Hi: While packaging your module for Debian, I noticed that it doesn't seem to mention copyright information or license terms. Without copyright information and licensing terms, we cannot package this module for Debian, even though it's something that our users want [1]. In Debian we need copyright/license information for all of the packages we upload. Could you give us (replying to this bug report is fine): years of copyright, copyright holders' names, copyright holders' e-mail addresses. Unfortunately without this information we cannot upload it. This is more than just a Debian issue. I'm not a lawyer, but it's my understanding that both copyright and licensing information is vital for the continued success of open source software. Copyright is what allows you to assert a license, and a license is what ensures open source remains open source, and that users can make use of your software. A great article discussing some of this is "What is Copyleft?" by Richard Stallman: http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/ Thanks for releasing your work to the CPAN. I apologize in advance for the noise, as I understand that the last thing most authors want to deal with is legal administrivia like this. I do hope, however, that you could (in your continued generosity) help us with this request. Please also consider adding these statements to your code/package README, since we must distribute some evidence of copyright information if it is not in the source package itself. Cheers, Jonathan On behalf of the Debian Perl Team [1] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=507669
I think this bug is in the wrong queue, it should be in the 'NTLM' queue (as that's what the dist is called)..

I.e. from the docs for LWP::Authen::Ntlm:

"The module takes advantage of the Authen::NTLM module by Mark Bush. Since there is also another Authen::NTLM module available from CPAN by Yee Man Chan with an entirely different interface, it is necessary to ensure that you have the correct NTLM module."

So you want:
http://search.cpan.org/~buzz/NTLM-1.05/

However this:

http://rt.cpan.org/Public/Bug/Display.html?id=19256

makes out that you're pretty unlikely to have any joy with this. I'm moving it into the correct queue, you may want to re-ping the authors.

Cheers
t0m
Subject: Re: [rt.cpan.org #53310] Missing Copyright Information
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 18:37:06 -0800 (PST)
To: bug-Authen-NTLM [...] rt.cpan.org
From: Yee Man Chan <ymc [...] yahoo.com>
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Hi Jonathan I believe I mentioned that I would like to release it in the same license as Perl (ie the Artistic license) in my package. If not, can you fix it for me? Thanks a lot Yee Man --- On Sat, 1/2/10, Jonathan Yu via RT <bug-Authen-NTLM@rt.cpan.org> wrote: Show quoted text
> From: Jonathan Yu via RT <bug-Authen-NTLM@rt.cpan.org> > Subject: [rt.cpan.org #53310] Missing Copyright Information > To: > Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 8:33 PM > Sat Jan 02 23:33:01 2010: Request > 53310 was acted upon. > Transaction: Ticket created by JAWNSY >        Queue: Authen-NTLM >      Subject: Missing Copyright > Information >    Broken in: 0.31 >     Severity: Normal >        Owner: Nobody >   Requestors: JAWNSY@cpan.org >       Status: new > Ticket <URL: https://rt.cpan.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=53310 > > > > Hi: > > While packaging your module for Debian, I noticed that it > doesn't seem to mention copyright information or license > terms. Without copyright information and licensing terms, we > cannot package this module for Debian, even though it's > something that our users want [1]. > > In Debian we need copyright/license information for all of > the packages we upload. Could you give us (replying to this > bug report is fine): years of copyright, copyright holders' > names, copyright holders' e-mail addresses. Unfortunately > without this information we cannot upload it. > > This is more than just a Debian issue. I'm not a lawyer, > but it's my understanding that both copyright and licensing > information is vital for the continued success of open > source software. Copyright is what allows you to assert a > license, and a license is what ensures open source remains > open source, and that users can make use of your software. A > great article discussing some of this is "What is Copyleft?" > by Richard Stallman: http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/ > > Thanks for releasing your work to the CPAN. I apologize in > advance for the noise, as I understand that the last thing > most authors want to deal with is legal administrivia like > this. I do hope, however, that you could (in your continued > generosity) help us with this request. Please also consider > adding these statements to your code/package README, since > we must distribute some evidence of copyright information if > it is not in the source package itself. > > Cheers, > > Jonathan > On behalf of the Debian Perl Team > > [1] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=507669 >
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Hi Yee, On Mon Jan 04 21:37:23 2010, UMVUE wrote: Show quoted text
> > Hi Jonathan > > I believe I mentioned that I would like to release it in the same > license as Perl (ie the Artistic license) in my package. If not, can > you fix it for me?
Unfortunately, Tomas Doran (t0m) pointed out that I actually filed the bug in the wrong queue because your package contains an included version of Authen::NTLM (which is an unauthorized release, by the way). Depending on your interpretation of copyright law, you technically might not be able to redistribute Authen::NTLM legally (but I'm not a lawyer, least of all an expert in copyright law, so I don't know). However, CPAN authors tend to go with "copyright is owned by the distribution author" (per the Berne Convention), making redistribution okay according to Authen::NTLM's license conditions. In Debian, however, we require an explicit copyright statement to the effect: Copyright 2009, XX + preferably with a mail address or URL (in case the copyright is owned by a company) Show quoted text
> > Thanks a lot > Yee Man > --- On Sat, 1/2/10, Jonathan Yu via RT <bug-Authen-NTLM@rt.cpan.org> > wrote: >
> > From: Jonathan Yu via RT <bug-Authen-NTLM@rt.cpan.org> > > Subject: [rt.cpan.org #53310] Missing Copyright Information > > To: > > Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 8:33 PM > > Sat Jan 02 23:33:01 2010: Request > > 53310 was acted upon. > > Transaction: Ticket created by JAWNSY > >        Queue: Authen-NTLM > >      Subject: Missing Copyright > > Information > >    Broken in: 0.31 > >     Severity: Normal > >        Owner: Nobody > >   Requestors: JAWNSY@cpan.org > >       Status: new > > Ticket <URL: https://rt.cpan.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=53310 > > > > > > > Hi: > > > > While packaging your module for Debian, I noticed that it > > doesn't seem to mention copyright information or license > > terms. Without copyright information and licensing terms, we > > cannot package this module for Debian, even though it's > > something that our users want [1]. > > > > In Debian we need copyright/license information for all of > > the packages we upload. Could you give us (replying to this > > bug report is fine): years of copyright, copyright holders' > > names, copyright holders' e-mail addresses. Unfortunately > > without this information we cannot upload it. > > > > This is more than just a Debian issue. I'm not a lawyer, > > but it's my understanding that both copyright and licensing > > information is vital for the continued success of open > > source software. Copyright is what allows you to assert a > > license, and a license is what ensures open source remains > > open source, and that users can make use of your software. A > > great article discussing some of this is "What is Copyleft?" > > by Richard Stallman: http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/ > > > > Thanks for releasing your work to the CPAN. I apologize in > > advance for the noise, as I understand that the last thing > > most authors want to deal with is legal administrivia like > > this. I do hope, however, that you could (in your continued > > generosity) help us with this request. Please also consider > > adding these statements to your code/package README, since > > we must distribute some evidence of copyright information if > > it is not in the source package itself. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Jonathan > > On behalf of the Debian Perl Team > > > > [1] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=507669 > >
> > >
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Copyright 2001 - Mark Bush - <Mark.Bush@bushnet.demon.co.uk> Copyright 2007 - David (Buzz) Bussenschutt - <davidbuzz@gmail.com> Copyright 2008 - Dmitry Karasik - <dmitry@karasik.eu.org> Copyright 2008 - Andrew Hobson - <ahobson@infloop.com> Copyright 2011 - Nick Bebout - <nbebout@cpan.org> Will that suffice? Nick On Sat Jan 02 23:33:01 2010, JAWNSY wrote: Show quoted text
> Hi: > > While packaging your module for Debian, I noticed that it doesn't seem > to mention copyright information or license terms. Without > copyright information and licensing terms, we cannot package this > module for Debian, even though it's something that our users want > [1]. > > In Debian we need copyright/license information for all of the > packages we upload. Could you give us (replying to this bug report > is fine): years of copyright, copyright holders' names, copyright > holders' e-mail addresses. Unfortunately without this information > we cannot upload it. > > This is more than just a Debian issue. I'm not a lawyer, but it's my > understanding that both copyright and licensing information is > vital for the continued success of open source software. Copyright > is what allows you to assert a license, and a license is what > ensures open source remains open source, and that users can make > use of your software. A great article discussing some of this is > "What is Copyleft?" by Richard Stallman: > http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/ > > Thanks for releasing your work to the CPAN. I apologize in advance for > the noise, as I understand that the last thing most authors want to > deal with is legal administrivia like this. I do hope, however, > that you could (in your continued generosity) help us with this > request. Please also consider adding these statements to your > code/package README, since we must distribute some evidence of > copyright information if it is not in the source package itself. > > Cheers, > > Jonathan > On behalf of the Debian Perl Team > > [1] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=507669
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The license is now "GPL+ or Artistic" effective with version 1.06, which I've just uploaded to CPAN. On Wed Apr 06 21:58:06 2011, NBEBOUT wrote: Show quoted text
> Copyright 2001 - Mark Bush - <Mark.Bush@bushnet.demon.co.uk> > Copyright 2007 - David (Buzz) Bussenschutt - <davidbuzz@gmail.com> > Copyright 2008 - Dmitry Karasik - <dmitry@karasik.eu.org> > Copyright 2008 - Andrew Hobson - <ahobson@infloop.com> > Copyright 2011 - Nick Bebout - <nbebout@cpan.org> > > Will that suffice? > > Nick > > On Sat Jan 02 23:33:01 2010, JAWNSY wrote:
> > Hi: > > > > While packaging your module for Debian, I noticed that it doesn't seem > > to mention copyright information or license terms. Without > > copyright information and licensing terms, we cannot package this > > module for Debian, even though it's something that our users want > > [1]. > > > > In Debian we need copyright/license information for all of the > > packages we upload. Could you give us (replying to this bug report > > is fine): years of copyright, copyright holders' names, copyright > > holders' e-mail addresses. Unfortunately without this information > > we cannot upload it. > > > > This is more than just a Debian issue. I'm not a lawyer, but it's my > > understanding that both copyright and licensing information is > > vital for the continued success of open source software. Copyright > > is what allows you to assert a license, and a license is what > > ensures open source remains open source, and that users can make > > use of your software. A great article discussing some of this is > > "What is Copyleft?" by Richard Stallman: > > http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/ > > > > Thanks for releasing your work to the CPAN. I apologize in advance for > > the noise, as I understand that the last thing most authors want to > > deal with is legal administrivia like this. I do hope, however, > > that you could (in your continued generosity) help us with this > > request. Please also consider adding these statements to your > > code/package README, since we must distribute some evidence of > > copyright information if it is not in the source package itself. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Jonathan > > On behalf of the Debian Perl Team > > > > [1] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=507669
> >


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